3.17.2011

My Experiment with Micro Needling

Several months ago, in one of the mags, I saw something that looked like a roller with pins that claimed to help improve skin tone, reduce the signs of aging and so much more. Always ready to be a guinea pig, I had to check it out.

Micro Needling, Collagen Induction Therapy


Before I begin, I have to say that the thoughts on this process are wide and varied. Devotees everywhere swear it's better than lasers and dermabrasion and post amazing before and after pictures. There is a ton of information (and misinformation) out there, so I am attempting to get to the bottom of it.

Micro Needling, or CIT (Collagen Induction Therapy) is the official name of this process. The country girl in me can't get over the fact that you are essentially using a rototiller on your face. That said, I'm not bothered by needles (unlike my sister in law, Abz, who recoiled in horror when I showed her the roller) and I'm not that wimpy. And also as country girl, I totally get why 'tilling your skin could actually help improve it.

According to Dr. Joseph Greco, the technique of medical micro needling has been shown to increase the remolding of the skin by creating thousands of microscopic channels thru the skin, to increase the formation of new tissue by activating the body’s wound healing cascade (hemostasis-inflammation-proliferation-tissue remodeling). The micro-channeling causes the release of growth factors that promote scar-less healing and the deposition of normal woven collagen rather than scar collagen.

There are various delivery systems in micro needling, but micro needling via a roller system, which creates literally thousands of channels thru the epidermis, appears to be most effective. The roller channeling method is safe, cost effective, and simple. While it takes six weeks for new collagen synthesis and about six months for the full effect of the treatments, the common response by patients after the initial treatment is that their skin has a “glow” and that fine lines are diminished.

But opinions on the general practice of Micro Needling vary. Some pros say it makes them nervous anytime someone is causing trauma to the skin at home (you can opt for pro sessions, which achieve greater results than the at-home versions). Others say that the results are better than sessions with a Fraxel Laser - without the downtime and at as little as 1/10 of the cost.

micro-needling, beauty, younger looking skin

I opted to try a Micro Roller with the most needles I can find, 540, versus the standard 200 per roller, which I presumed would give me more bang for my buck. I went for a Genosys Disk Needle Vibrating Roller. This roller is different from everything on the market for a few reasons:

1. It has over 300 more needles than basically everything else.
2. The needles themselves are star shaped, instead of round which, in theory, lets them last longer.
3. The needles are attached to the roller differently and have no chance of the pins coming off.
4. The vibration (which some say is helpful and others disagree) does take away from the slightly tingling sensation of rolling. You can also opt to turn this off and just roll without vibration, if you like.
5. These needles are 25% thinner, which causes less discomfort and allow the micro-channels to heal faster.


The kit I used included topical serums, a glycolic peel and the roller. Here's how it works:

Cleanse your face thoroughly.


Apply the 15% self-neutralizing glycolic peel solution (SRS), followed by the serum (AWS) to your face.

 

Begin to roll the roller over your face in one section at a time, going over each section in vertical and horizontal lines five times in each direction. You will be rolling over the same spots multiple times. It should take you about 10 minutes (or more) to do your whole face. I did this once per week, on Saturday night, because well, that's how I roll.

 
 (My face was very red and slightly swollen after the first treatment. It felt like having a fairly substantial sunburn for a few hours.)

The pins create micro-channels that heal quickly. I did this at night so my skin could heal overnight (plus the serums that I used didn't work with makeup as they were designed for nighttime use). The next day, my skin was a tiny bit tender, but glowed and had no signs of damage, whatsoever.

Here is what I looked like when I started the process:


(Click on photo to enlarge This photo makes me look like I have a five head.)

(Before on the left. After on the right.)

After six weeks of using the roller and their serums for treatments, I can say that I do see a slight difference, especially in the areas where my hard-to-treat melasma appears. The melasma has faded slightly in a way that previous treatments were unable to affect. My skin looks radiant and luminous after only the first few treatments. I didn't experience the extreme redness I did after the first time I rolled. I have no doubt that my skincare products can work harder when I use them in conjunction with rolling. Thoughts? Are you willing to try this? Have you tried it? What do you think?

Micro Needling Roller and products were supplied for review. Opinions are my own. Consult a professional before beginning this process.

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38 comments:

  1. Eek. Needles are frightening to me. You were brave for giving that a try on your face!
    Did you avoid the eyes, I'm guessing?

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  2. I could do it up to the top of my cheek bone, but no farther. I rolled my crows feet, but not closer than that. Also, rolling on my forehead made me sneeze uncontrollably. It was actually kind of funny.

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  3. Ow wow, I`e actually never heared of such treatments. I would try this actually, I do have a somewhat sensitivte skin when it comes to oigntments and cremes and I do have a silly routine by now which really helps for me. But specially when more UvA and UvB raditiations apear I have to take extra care to make sure my "dark" sports are protected enough not to become any worse :S I think I would try this out as a treatment in a salon, very open for it. I`m not sure I could even buy such devices in this country....now i`m gonna check it out ;)

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  4. What's the cost of this kit? I remember reading about it on Prime Beauty's blog but I don't remember what it cost.

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  6. Hi Marcia! It costs $150 for the roller and the AWS solution. It's fairly reasonable, I think!

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  7. That's not a bad price at all. Rodan and Fields sells one for about $200 plus you pay shipping.

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  8. You are either crazy or brave...or a little of both :)

    The thought of getting a shot makes me tear up. The thought of voluntarily running needles over my face makes me want to jump out my window.

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  9. @Kristin - you should know I am a bit of both. While not afraid of needles, I am afraid of water (except the ocean) and don't take baths in a tub because of a fear of sharks...

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  10. What was the price of the unit? Did you notice just the improvement of overall skin texture, or were fine lines softened too? Many thanks for you review--I saw this in a derms office and was curious...

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  11. The price is $150, including the AWS serum. If you click through any of the links, you can see more about packages they have available. It improved the texture slightly and discoloration slightly. The photos are true to life and not retouched.

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  12. Kelly,
    I am bowing and scraping at your nerve on this one! I thought I was fearless in the face of beauty...I don't think I will opt to try this and I have no needle phobia. Thanks for being our guinea pig and sharing your experience. I'm glad you are happy with the results!

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  13. Hi, I care for my skin regularly and have gone to the spa to get virtual mesotherapy treatments. I have also done the radio frequency treatment which tightens the skin. It took me awhile to test the derma roller but the seller of Genosys offered to give me a facial treatment using the AWS solution. I bought a lot of units the next day and one box of AWS solution. However, Genosys is pretty expensive because their solutions are actually just remanufactured by a Spanish manufacturer for meso solutions. I switched to a brand called Dermclar. They are based out of California too. They have a liposomes line which seems to really work in rejuvenating my skin. After two uses, I see a glow and a reduction of wrinkles in my skin. I bought a liposomes face neck low neck solution which had vitamin c lipochom and lipomoist...and then the next week i tried their antiwrinkle line around my eye since it is nanoencapsulated and has argireline and hyaluronic acid... after my supplies ran out, they suggested DermesoFace for me. Wow, that solution had vitamin c, vitamin e, argireline, hyaluronic acid, dmae, sodium pyruvate and my skin started glowing and my smaller acnes actually went away. They are a manufacturer so the price is great compared to the rest. They also have a derma roller right now and it ihas 540 pins and has a replaceable head and it costs me only $45. I am so happy and keep the maintenance at least every three months.

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  14. I test so many things, I haven't been using this any longer. I did enjoy the benefits I had received when I used it.

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  15. There is a bit of a debate as to what length needles will stimulate collagen production. I'm not a derm, so I'm not qualified to answer off of the top of my head. I'm not familiar with the White Lotus products.....

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  16. Interested to know if you're still using this device and what the results have been. Do you still think it would be a good investment?

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  17. Unfortunately, your review seems rather inconclusive, and obviously it wasn't a miracle worker or otherwise you would still be using it.  But also, the roller you decided to try is only .25 mm length needles.  White Lotus claims that less than .5mm needles does not induce collagen production.  Any interest in retrying the experiment with a white lotus roller? 

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  18. Get rid of that horrible cyst on the bottom left side!

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    1. What is your problem, moron?? How about you post a picture of yourself. I'm sure we could all pick you apart! A-hole!

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    2. Thanks, Charlotte!!! You are the best! xoxo

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  19. Thank you for the review of this procedure, you helped to clarify the technique and gave me a picture of what I might expect from following the procedure.

    D. Russo

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  20. Thanks for the post. I just bought one a few dys ago and am excited to try it out! The first application was with a professional facial and I did have the glow, partly due to the facial, I'm sure. But, this lasted longer and after the next two sessions I saw the same effect. I will keep it up, although I have to add I found it pretty painful when the aesthitician did it!

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  21. Oh, and I paid only 14 euro for this Germany. I'm curious about the major price difference...

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  22. Hello everyone. My name is Shana Han and I work with GENOSYS brand. If you have any question, please contact me. I do not recommend to choose rollers depending on only the price. There are so much different quality factors we need to consider to use it safely.

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  23. Hi. I have tried expensive rollers such as Genosys and I also tried the China rollers. I also tried Clinical Resolution and the DermaRoller US. I am a doctor of pharmacy and we have a spa.

    The thing I found out is these roller companies do not manufacturer their own solutions. They private label from other companies and the quality is not as great as when you buy from a meso specialist since this is a form of mesotherapy.

    The very expensive rollers and the new rollers that are mid-range- $40 or even lower do not have any difference. Both worked on my skin and it doesnt really seem to have any difference in the pain. Both were almost the same feel. However the difference in the solutions mattered so i suggest you go somewhere or to a manufacturer of a brand.

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  24. Hi, I am a Licensed Esthetician and just started to perform Microneedling procedure in our medical office. We use Dermapen for microneedling and most of my patients that benefit from it are the ones with acne scars. I found it works really great on thicker, oilier skin. On the thin mature skin I usually stay with 0.5 mm - no more. Also I like to alternate it for better anti-aging results with Red Light Led Therapy.

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    1. I am about to purchase a package for 1400.00 for three visits and that includes the neck - will I really see a result if not my partner is going to kill me for wasting 1400 for that than 800 for dysport

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  25. Considering this technique has been around for quite a time, there don't appear to be any really conclusive results. I wasn't convinced by your photos --especially as you're obviously smiling in the second one, and the lighting is different.
    The theory sounds very convincing (inducing thousands of micro-injuries which heal and contract) but I don't think flooding the skin with vitamins sounds very scientific, as the body only needs an optimum amount, and any extra will not be used.

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    1. Agreed! As another reader had pointed out, I am no longer using it, so the results were not anything that blew me away. That said, some people swear by it - especially for acne. I've tried red light therapy and saw no results, so I think we are still searching for the holy grail of skin perfecting treatments!

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    2. Hello everyone, skin microneedling is a proven method for skin health. There are many journals and publication. And it also makes a great sense to anyone who studied medicine or biology. As we get older, we don't receive all nutrients we need to all parts of our body including skin and we also produce decreased amount of proteins that deliver messages to our cells. Needling promotes to release those proteins that will signal your skin cells to be activated.

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    3. Sorry, but as someone who actually studied to get a medical degree I have to say, that what you say only makes sense superficially.

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  26. Kelly - how often did you do the procedure? Every day?

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  27. I am wondering if you can use a numbing cream to help with the pain?

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  28. I just tried this and will give my 2 cents. I purchased a 540 needle roller at 1.5 mm for 20 bucks on Amazon. I did more passes than the box suggested, and I made sure I saw blood before moving to the next area. I did my entire face on 1/1/14 in the evening.

    The next day my face was still red (to be expected due to the pressure and amount of passes I did), and it was still stinging a bit like a sunburn. I liked how my face looked, though (other than the redness).

    That evening, I read about "single needling" for the 11s (glabellar lines) between the eyes. I saw the girl's results, so decided to try it. I took a single sewing needle, sterilized it, and poked up and down in the 11s. I then thought it would be a good idea to try it on my "laugh lines." After that, I decided to use the roller and do my cheeks again (they are kind of hollow and make me look old and makes my face look long and ucky)...I didn't do it as aggressively as the first night, though. I then thought it would be a good idea to "gently" go over the top and bottom eyelids. I again experienced the sunburn type feeling that evening, and I used cocoa lotion with lanolin. It helped with the stinging for sure (although it stung when I first applied it, it later soothed it).

    The next morning I wanted to cry after I saw my face. My face was so dry, stinging a little, and just plain annoying (due mostly to the dryness). The wrinkles under my eyes and tops are now much more pronounced (and red, of course), the nasolabial folds (laugh lines) are also bright red, as well as the glabellar lines!! So, the cool glow I got from the all over face needling the first time has been replaced by red marks and swelling in my 11s and laugh lines making them look deeper and more pronounced.

    I am not panicking too much just yet, though. I am praying things will at least go back to normal after a few days, and if it does, I will proceed with an all over face needling again, including upper and lower eyelids, and then the single needling in the nasolabial and glabellar lines again.

    If things do not work out to my satisfaction, I will do a 35% TCA peel sooner than planned. I've already purchased 100% TCA that I will dilute. And I know acid peels work because I did one about 10 years ago and the results were dramatic enough for me...my skin looked so much better and I wish I had kept up with the peels. I started having more kids and of course, there was no time for me. I don't mind, though, as I am raising all of us a bunch of assets to society ;) Whoop!

    You may want to watch this Youtube video regarding needling:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZuINf5fHh0

    Check out that link above and draw your own conclusions. It is supposedly 8 untruths regarding needling. I'd also watch Youtube videos of actual procedures in a doctor's office (keep in mind the doctor is using a 2.0 mm roller and all the ones I saw rolled till there was bleeding).


    Good luck to everyone.

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  29. Yes, Sandals, you can use a numbing cream (I think you can buy it on eBay). I didn't find it necessary, but then again I have a high resistance to pain (being an extreme tomboy my entire youth...and then some. lol).

    And Kelly, I have heard that the frequency of use depends on the size of the needles. I have a 1.5, used hard pressure, and drew blood. I will be using mine once a week in the same fashion (but I tend to go to extremes, so don't do that), but I think if you have a 0.5 mm roller, you can do it twice a week...and don't use hard pressure like me, just "regular." The only reason I do what I do is I feel I don't have much to lose anyway, my face is jacked (I'm now 42 and was not so kind to my skin...ever!, I have open pores, hollow cheeks, saggy skin on my upper lids, and getting small fine wrinkles below my eyes, I have those nasty 11s that are more severe than the average woman's, and I have laugh lines due to laughing so much ;) Good luck again, guys!

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  30. I've been experimenting with rollers and single needles from owndoc.com and I make my own active skin serums and creams with ingredients from skinactives.com and a few other online "DIY" ingredients sites. (Skin Actives also has lots of ready-made products, which in my experience, are MUCH better than the formulations you find in either drugstores or high end / high cost elite brands.) I am not affiliated with any of these companies - I work in film.

    I haven't done it consistently enough to see much result yet, but I think that's because I wasn't using numbing cream, so I didn't go as far. I just ordered some single-needles from OwnDoc.com, and I plan to do my "11's" with those, so I'll let you know how it goes.

    I will say though, that I went for a professional treatment a couple of years ago, at a beauty school. I only did 1 treatment, since the facility was far from me, but the owner/instructor's skin was amazing - clear, and rosy. She'd done lots of needling on herself, especially on her neck, which had had bad burn scars on it from radiation therapy (cancer.) She was about 60, but her neck looked young-30's. It was impressive.

    My skin is generally very good, since I've been using natural nutriceuticals on my face for at over 10 years, and used serious sunscreen since college. I'll try to take some before & afters to keep track of the needling effects...

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  31. PS - DON'T use any other kind of needle (such as sewing machine needles) for needling!

    From the research I've done (and I'm a geek about this stuff) - I think the best needling supplies were at owndoc.com. They have rollers, stamps, and single needles - all tested and reviewed regularly.

    Just me 2c's - be safe - not sorry!

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